Any good news? - Page 2

Greg · 08-04-2007, 10:26 PM

Reference discussion above about our overly sensationalistic news media. At least statistically, the odds are 99.99999% that the engineers and bridge inspectors know what they're doing.

Miros1 · 08-04-2007, 10:48 PM

Reference discussion of stupid politicians who don't allocate money in a timely manner.

Greg · 08-04-2007, 10:54 PM

Hey, not everybody lives in New York or Louisiana!

mikedelaney16 · 08-05-2007, 02:29 AM

When the engineers say "you need to replace it" the politicians and administrators need to "replace it" not "schedule it".

Greg, what would you understand "structurally deficient" to mean?

Greg · 08-05-2007, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mikedelaney16

When the engineers say "you need to replace it" the politicians and administrators need to "replace it" not "schedule it".

Greg, what would you understand "structurally deficient" to mean?

Honestly, in this context, the phrase means nothing at all to me. I haven't seen the engineers' report.

I do know that a dozen bridge failures out of millions of bridges, and the lack of tales of bridge failures happening all over New York, strongly indicates an extremely high probability that people are acting responsibly in the case of the one bridge that Rose is talking about. Media hype; it's the watchword of the 21st century.

Miros1 · 08-05-2007, 02:02 PM

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"The 70-year-old structure, not unlike others, is going to cost millions to replace."

http://www.wivb.com/Global/story.asp?s=6885429

This is the bridge they're going to replace in 2009 (not next summer like I'd heard). Hope we have a series of warm winters!

Another story on the same bridge: http://www.wivb.com/Global/story.asp?s=6860850 One person says it's fine, one says it's dangerous. Either way, I don't think I'd want to be on a bridge that "just drops a couple inches."

And that bridge was originally in the news in May, long before this week's excitement.

Greg · 08-05-2007, 07:41 PM

Well...

Erie County Director of Engineering Charles Sickler says the Cemetery Road Bridge in Lancaster is OK until 2009, based on reports from the engineering audit performed by Clough Harbour Engineering.

Erie County Legislator Kathy Konst says she doesn't want to wait until 2009 to replace the bridge, based on... erm... whatever she based it on.

One the one side, an engineer who is an expert on the subject and has his professional reputation on the line.

On the other, an incumbent politician who wants to rouse the rabble and attract money to the fifth district to buy votes with, while setting herself up to play the blame strategy when her proposal fails, and who just happens to needs to keep her name in the news because she is facing an uphill battle against a serious challenger (Tom Ulbrecht) in the upcoming elections.

In the middle, Investigative Reporter Luke Moretti whose job it is to boost ratings through making the "news" sensational and entertaining by creating controversy where none really exists.

Conclusion: Grilled Cheese Will Save Us All!

Miros1 · 08-05-2007, 09:13 PM

There's also an engineering professor in one article, who says it's not safe.

Actually, there's a very good reason to push for state and federal money now. There's just been a "disaster," so Congress is more likely to allocate money right now, especially since the President made a big splashy speech with all kinds of promises. By 2009, getting money out of the feds is gonna be like pulling teeth!

mikedelaney16 · 08-05-2007, 10:51 PM

Heh, did he say it's not safe or was he quoted as saying it's not safe?

Just so you know where I'm coming from, I have the twisted mind of a former broadcaster. Ratings and advertisers rule, or at least they used to. Can't even be sure of that anymore.

shorty943 · 08-06-2007, 12:14 PM

Don't panic.

I've got an old science experiment in the fridge.

I only need a couple of million kilowatts for a nanosecond or so, to test a new anti corrosion anodised "Grilled Cheese" coating, and all the worlds bridges are mine muwahaahaa.

Greg · 08-07-2007, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mikedelaney16

... I have the twisted mind of a former broadcaster...

Oh, Mike! My condolences! I'm so sorry to hear that!

shorty943 · 08-08-2007, 11:28 PM

Unfortunately, as an engineer it has been my experience, the boardroom takes more notice of the accounts office, than we technical types.
Along the lines of " How much? Isn't there a cheaper way? The shareholders, the shareholders, think of the shareholders".

Chin up Mike, that is all behind you now. There is a glorious freedom, away from the evil of the advertising executive.

On a happier note.
I just watched the latest launch of the shuttle.

You go fly you beautiful big white bird.

Zenmistress · 08-08-2007, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by shorty943

On a happier note.
I just watched the latest launch of the shuttle.

You go fly you beautiful big white bird.

I crossed my fingers while I watched! It looked beautiful!!

shorty943 · 08-09-2007, 12:03 AM

Didn't it?
Ever since I first saw Sputnik fly overhead, during the 1950's as a kid, I have followed NASA, and what they are doing. It fascinates and awes me.

mikedelaney16 · 08-09-2007, 01:40 AM

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Chin up Mike, that is all behind you now. There is a glorious freedom, away from the evil of the advertising executive.

Gosh, that sounds a lot like what myself and some former colleagues said.

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Originally Posted by shorty943

On a happier note.
I just watched the latest launch of the shuttle.

You go fly you beautiful big white bird.

Yes, it looked like a hitch free launch on TV. My thoughts and best wishes are with the crew of STS-118 and ISS Expedition 15.

shorty943 · 08-09-2007, 02:51 AM

From Mike.

"Gosh, that sounds a lot like what myself and some former colleagues said".

Ahah, it seems I was not alone in my thinking after all. Never did entirely trust someone, who seems to know more about what I want, than I do.

mikedelaney16 · 08-09-2007, 03:24 AM

For those with no inside knowledge of radio, this guy explains one of the worst aspects really well: http://www.kieranmurray.com/playlists.htm

The link at the bottom is well worth clicking on as he goes into more details.

shorty943 · 08-09-2007, 03:31 AM

Gasp, you mean they didn't fix the "Payola" thing at all?

Oh my, that will piss Chickenman right off.

And Jimmy Hoffa is still alive and well driving a Kenworth right?

mikedelaney16 · 08-09-2007, 03:59 AM

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Gasp, you mean they didn't fix the "Payola" thing at all?

MikeD wipes the coffee splatter from his screen.
Just reconfigured

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Originally Posted by shorty943

Oh my, that will piss Chickenman right off.

I'm not familiar with Chickenman.

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And Jimmy Hoffa is still alive and well driving a Kenworth right?

There probably is a Jimmy Hoffa alive and well and driving a Kenworth.

Greg · 08-09-2007, 07:59 AM

Naw, Jimmy Hoffa changed his name to Millard Wilstein and opened a grilled cheese sandwich shop in the Bronx.

08-04-2007, 10:26 PM	#21
Greg Da Guy Wut Owns Dis Joint Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 3,566	Reference discussion above about our overly sensationalistic news media. At least statistically, the odds are 99.99999% that the engineers and bridge inspectors know what they're doing. __________________ Who are all these people and what do they know?

08-04-2007, 10:54 PM	#23
Greg Da Guy Wut Owns Dis Joint Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 3,566	Hey, not everybody lives in New York or Louisiana! __________________ Who are all these people and what do they know?

08-05-2007, 07:41 PM	#27
Greg Da Guy Wut Owns Dis Joint Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 3,566	Well... Erie County Director of Engineering Charles Sickler says the Cemetery Road Bridge in Lancaster is OK until 2009, based on reports from the engineering audit performed by Clough Harbour Engineering. Erie County Legislator Kathy Konst says she doesn't want to wait until 2009 to replace the bridge, based on... erm... whatever she based it on. One the one side, an engineer who is an expert on the subject and has his professional reputation on the line. On the other, an incumbent politician who wants to rouse the rabble and attract money to the fifth district to buy votes with, while setting herself up to play the blame strategy when her proposal fails, and who just happens to needs to keep her name in the news because she is facing an uphill battle against a serious challenger (Tom Ulbrecht) in the upcoming elections. In the middle, Investigative Reporter Luke Moretti whose job it is to boost ratings through making the "news" sensational and entertaining by creating controversy where none really exists. Conclusion: Grilled Cheese Will Save Us All! __________________ Who are all these people and what do they know?

08-05-2007, 09:13 PM	#28
Miros1 Goddess for Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NY State Posts: 3,303	There's also an engineering professor in one article, who says it's not safe. Actually, there's a very good reason to push for state and federal money now. There's just been a "disaster," so Congress is more likely to allocate money right now, especially since the President made a big splashy speech with all kinds of promises. By 2009, getting money out of the feds is gonna be like pulling teeth! Last edited by Miros1 : 08-05-2007 at 10:53 PM.

08-09-2007, 07:59 AM	#40
Greg Da Guy Wut Owns Dis Joint Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 3,566	Naw, Jimmy Hoffa changed his name to Millard Wilstein and opened a grilled cheese sandwich shop in the Bronx. __________________ Who are all these people and what do they know?

08-04-2007, 10:48 PM	#22
Miros1 Goddess for Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NY State Posts: 3,303	Reference discussion of stupid politicians who don't allocate money in a timely manner.

08-05-2007, 02:29 AM	#24
mikedelaney16 Solar Max Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 201	When the engineers say "you need to replace it" the politicians and administrators need to "replace it" not "schedule it". Greg, what would you understand "structurally deficient" to mean?

08-05-2007, 10:51 PM	#29
mikedelaney16 Solar Max Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 201	Heh, did he say it's not safe or was he quoted as saying it's not safe? Just so you know where I'm coming from, I have the twisted mind of a former broadcaster. Ratings and advertisers rule, or at least they used to. Can't even be sure of that anymore.

08-06-2007, 12:14 PM	#30
shorty943 Banned Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 805	Don't panic. I've got an old science experiment in the fridge. I only need a couple of million kilowatts for a nanosecond or so, to test a new anti corrosion anodised "Grilled Cheese" coating, and all the worlds bridges are mine muwahaahaa.

08-08-2007, 11:28 PM	#32
shorty943 Banned Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 805	Unfortunately, as an engineer it has been my experience, the boardroom takes more notice of the accounts office, than we technical types. Along the lines of " How much? Isn't there a cheaper way? The shareholders, the shareholders, think of the shareholders". Chin up Mike, that is all behind you now. There is a glorious freedom, away from the evil of the advertising executive. On a happier note. I just watched the latest launch of the shuttle. You go fly you beautiful big white bird.

08-09-2007, 12:03 AM	#34
shorty943 Banned Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 805	Didn't it? Ever since I first saw Sputnik fly overhead, during the 1950's as a kid, I have followed NASA, and what they are doing. It fascinates and awes me.

08-09-2007, 02:51 AM	#36
shorty943 Banned Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 805	From Mike. "Gosh, that sounds a lot like what myself and some former colleagues said". Ahah, it seems I was not alone in my thinking after all. Never did entirely trust someone, who seems to know more about what I want, than I do.

08-09-2007, 03:24 AM	#37
mikedelaney16 Solar Max Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 201	For those with no inside knowledge of radio, this guy explains one of the worst aspects really well: http://www.kieranmurray.com/playlists.htm The link at the bottom is well worth clicking on as he goes into more details.

08-09-2007, 03:31 AM	#38
shorty943 Banned Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 805	Gasp, you mean they didn't fix the "Payola" thing at all? Oh my, that will piss Chickenman right off. And Jimmy Hoffa is still alive and well driving a Kenworth right?